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Can get situation where they all pulse at the WRONG time... and that is bad because it causes crazy eddy currents in the motor then the motor has to dissipate all that energy via heat.


Different loads, different reactions -That is why Novak is sooooo smooth. It has a sensor to let the ESC know exactly where the motor rotor is situated.


Other sensorless BLs just drive the motor anyhow they "think" the rotor is situated. This makes them very coggy (jerky) at low speeds, and also inefficient =hot when they get their guessing wrong.
 
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ahh so the brushless would be a great bashing motor...but at $400 i
think ill wait...rather buy a evo 3 or something better than a TL01



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you should see what a novak brushless does to elcheapo stadium 1700 packs. It will suck em dry in 3 minutes or less and get the pack hot enough to melt the heat shrink off the pack. the pack will stay stupid hot for a good 45minutes after the run as well
 

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jiggen5354 said:
you should see what a novak brushless does to elcheapo stadium 1700 packs. It will suck em dry in 3 minutes or less and get the pack hot enough to melt the heat shrink off the pack. the pack will stay stupid hot for a good 45minutes after the run as well

Its not the motor, its the batteries...
Stadium packs (all of them not jsut 1700s) use the lowest-grade of cells with super-high internal resistance, taped together with strips of beer can & skinny wire. If you knew how much they cost ex-factory you'd understand.


Novak BL is very efficient. I got a very nice pack of zapped 2000s with great voltage... was chasing down the serious mod guys with their hot mods and matching their runtime on 3300s.


Great feeling when they all retire to the pits and I just pop another lousy pack in and keep on running. Those guys run once every hour; whilst I drained about 20 packs thruBL SS5800 over 2hrs continuous running.
 

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mmmm...w00t...ah yes...my brushless motor is cool..except i've only got 1 team orion 2400mah nicd atm...i've still got the tamiya 1400mah but don't know what to do with it...i've put thedeanplugon it already but i'm not gonna dean my ss5800 esc...


so hmm...maybe my friend would want it...he has the yokomo drift car...running a futaba 330 esc...and some 23T stock motor...


my LHS sell the team orion 2400mah for $49...doh..i tell them to make it $40





also are there any faster brushless motors than my ss5800? and how much are they? i've seen another novak for $550. what motor is that?


i've also heard some hacker bl is better...hmmmEdited by: migoreng
 
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i've still got the tamiya 1400mah but don't know what to do with
it...i've put thedeanplugon it already but i'm not gonna dean my
ss5800 esc...


so hmm...maybe my friend would want it...he has the yokomo drift
car...running a futaba 330 esc...and some 23T stock motor...



AHEm...lalal send it this way..lalala..ahem




Great feeling when they all retire to the pits and I
just pop another lousy pack in and keep on running. Those guys run once
every hour; whilst I drained about 20 packs thruBL SS5800 over 2hrs
continuous running.</font>


mmm that wold be nice to do....pity i aint got brushless nor 20+batts..hahaha





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imagine brushless endurace race


have pit stops...cars are fitted with end power connectors (like changing the catridge of a hand gun...pull the old one out and slam the new one in)so no need to use your hands to manually grab the wires and plug...


drive your r/c car onto the automactic pit 'bay', wheel clamps hold your cars wheels firmly...the battery changer unlocks the car battery holder pull out the used battery and pushes the new one in...all in 5 seconds...and a blow of air over the car to cleansome dust off...hhhaha



100 laps around the track....hahahaha would be a mad race...
 

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...i've put thedeanplugon it already but i'm not gonna dean my ss5800 esc...

Why not? SS5800 can draw a lot more current if the battery is up to it.






also are there any faster brushless motors than my ss5800? and how much are they? i've seen another novak for $550. what motor is that?

There'sthe Novak "HV" just come out this yr for E-Maxx. It is a longer 550-size can (longer than 540) so it won't fit many touring cars; one BL motor replaces the E-Maxx's twin motors. It is also designed for more torque not rpm and runs off twin packs 14.4V that the E-Maxx uses, so it is useless for TCs.


That sells for about US$300 I think.


i've also heard some hacker bl is better...hmmm

Define "better" ?



Lots of BLs out there (RC planes have used them for 20+ yrs), the common ones in cars have been Hacker, Schultz and recently Kontronics.


All of them are non-sensor so they're jerky ("cogging") at low speeds. There's also some drivability issues... sometimes they're like on/off switches, nothing in between.


Each brand come in various different specs and you buy the ESC separately so you can mix-n-match. The most powerful combinations of Hacker & Schultz are arguably more powerful than the SS5800; pricewise for a 'good' system they'll be more expensive than SS5800.


Some of those ESCs also have a tendency to overheat and blow up.
All those I've seen usually comes in shrinkwrap packing, not a nice case+heatsink like Novak. Makes it very hard to install intothe averageTC with limited space.


Novak is the first to market (2nd place...? haha, STILL WAITING!!) with a sensored BL system that works smoothly AND is totally drop-in plug-n-play. It is a fantastic design and sold at a decent price.
 
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