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umm... Have you considered the risk...?


Seller is a newbie on eBay and doesn't have a huge amt of feedback yet.


How comfortable are you sending a sizable swag of $$ to someone you don't even know on the other side of the world. What if nothing ever shows up?


And don't rely on eBay or Paypal to save you; their 'protection' is worth squat.
International traders have zilch recourse, that's the pragmatic bottom line.


There are so many scammers on ePay these days, I don't even bother using it anymore except for small items or its good ppl that I have dealt with before.





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They appear on ePay all the time, but mostly they go for around $200 anyway. Not much different to buying it from an established retailer.
 

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Not hard to find elsewhere for $220-225 plus shipping.


Or with Tower you can often use their discount codes too, can take $10-15 off if you're lucky.


It all boils down to the same thing. Probably get better service outside of Tower if you don't like dealing only with a computer & online ordering.





But bugger me dead, damned AUD still dropping lower.
 

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Novak SS controller has "timeout" for reverse. Push it into 'brake' and hold it for a few seconds and it'll flick over into reverse.


Assuming you've got it set up right.








Where did ya get it from MiG & how much?


Came pretty quick - 2 days!!


Expressposted from RMS?
 

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migoreng said:
it arrived with the box in the plastic bag...the box has a few dents on the corners...and its squashed in abit...doh...but motor and esc is packed in the thick foam...so its fine.

OzPost's resident mail-squishing elephant must have moved to Perth for a holiday. I got a unprotected kitbox in yesterday from Sydney and it survived pretty well, still got all 8 corners still recognisable. If the elephant had been on duty it'll be FUBAR'd...






A$400 eh?


hmm... getting real tempting.


Getting one from o/s is gunna cost US$250-260 all up and with the AUD at current levels its bordering on "not worth it".








Wish Novak would just release their "Super Mod" one that they announced last year, that's meant to be more powerful etc.


But then again we waited 2 years for them to ship SS5800 after their initial announcement.
 

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Imho there's no point in life for the SS4300.


Its the same price as SS5800, its got the same controller (not smaller, not lighter) and there's still no sanctioned racing for either beast. SS4300 was built as a "stock" equivalent but in reality it'll probably beat a brushed stocker. No one's gunna let that run alongside!


If a BL is raced its usually in the Modified class, so you'll be looking at max power not crippled performance. SS5800 doesn't quite cut it in true full-on mod racing either, the hottest mods are still more powerful.


So for now, its a really great tool for bashing and that's about it.
 

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Three power wires 'cos its a three-phase motor.


And a handful of sensor wires - Novak is sensored.



The electronics behind the ESC is just mind-boggling. Its gotta control the motor by pulsing the 6 electromagnets at exactly the right time to keep the motor turning, so it must know exactly what the motor is doing at any time. All calculations are done real-time.


That's a lot more complicated than a conventional DC motor's ESC, which only pulses the motor drive via time modulation. All ESCs pulse at a fixed rate (some user-selectable) too, all except latest LRP QC2 with factory-set variable switching frequency. But they all don't need feedback sensors so there's nothing to compute.
 

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Can get situation where they all pulse at the WRONG time... and that is bad because it causes crazy eddy currents in the motor then the motor has to dissipate all that energy via heat.


Different loads, different reactions -That is why Novak is sooooo smooth. It has a sensor to let the ESC know exactly where the motor rotor is situated.


Other sensorless BLs just drive the motor anyhow they "think" the rotor is situated. This makes them very coggy (jerky) at low speeds, and also inefficient =hot when they get their guessing wrong.
 

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jiggen5354 said:
you should see what a novak brushless does to elcheapo stadium 1700 packs. It will suck em dry in 3 minutes or less and get the pack hot enough to melt the heat shrink off the pack. the pack will stay stupid hot for a good 45minutes after the run as well

Its not the motor, its the batteries...
Stadium packs (all of them not jsut 1700s) use the lowest-grade of cells with super-high internal resistance, taped together with strips of beer can & skinny wire. If you knew how much they cost ex-factory you'd understand.


Novak BL is very efficient. I got a very nice pack of zapped 2000s with great voltage... was chasing down the serious mod guys with their hot mods and matching their runtime on 3300s.


Great feeling when they all retire to the pits and I just pop another lousy pack in and keep on running. Those guys run once every hour; whilst I drained about 20 packs thruBL SS5800 over 2hrs continuous running.
 

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migoreng said:
...i've put thedeanplugon it already but i'm not gonna dean my ss5800 esc...

Why not? SS5800 can draw a lot more current if the battery is up to it.






also are there any faster brushless motors than my ss5800? and how much are they? i've seen another novak for $550. what motor is that?

There'sthe Novak "HV" just come out this yr for E-Maxx. It is a longer 550-size can (longer than 540) so it won't fit many touring cars; one BL motor replaces the E-Maxx's twin motors. It is also designed for more torque not rpm and runs off twin packs 14.4V that the E-Maxx uses, so it is useless for TCs.


That sells for about US$300 I think.


i've also heard some hacker bl is better...hmmm

Define "better" ?



Lots of BLs out there (RC planes have used them for 20+ yrs), the common ones in cars have been Hacker, Schultz and recently Kontronics.


All of them are non-sensor so they're jerky ("cogging") at low speeds. There's also some drivability issues... sometimes they're like on/off switches, nothing in between.


Each brand come in various different specs and you buy the ESC separately so you can mix-n-match. The most powerful combinations of Hacker & Schultz are arguably more powerful than the SS5800; pricewise for a 'good' system they'll be more expensive than SS5800.


Some of those ESCs also have a tendency to overheat and blow up.
All those I've seen usually comes in shrinkwrap packing, not a nice case+heatsink like Novak. Makes it very hard to install intothe averageTC with limited space.


Novak is the first to market (2nd place...? haha, STILL WAITING!!) with a sensored BL system that works smoothly AND is totally drop-in plug-n-play. It is a fantastic design and sold at a decent price.
 
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