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OK we seem to have touched on a few sensitive points about the worth of big 4WD's for people who live in the city... I'm happy to start a new thread and allow the opinions to be heard.


Keep in mind how others may read your post and ensure you keep the topic and debate civil... if you can, it's good to avoid the word "you".


EnjoyEdited by: Skidd
 

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HIRISK - nice R32, what are they like

SKIDD - What the heck do you need a vee-hick-le like that for in
melbourne? Bit of a tank hey

(sorry I am really against offroaders and the like in the city
especially with bullbars fitted - get your freshly resprayed car run
into by one and you will know why)
 

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if you wanted to, you could tow a house with that thing
. Doesn't really matter if you never use it for towing though. At least you will always know you can if you want to
 

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azenis said:
Do you take it off road much? or use it to tow a boat or caravan or
anything?

Mmmm... I feel a debate coming on!


Do I take it off road? No, it's black and it would show up the scratches terribly, besides the wheel base, turning circleand overall length would make it almost hopeless. Would be OK on tracks or the beach.


Do I tow anything with it? - Once a year I might tow a trailer to the tip or do a job for a mate but that's about it.


BTW... it's not a bull bar, it's a NUDGE bar.... and if a car (any car, doesn't matter what size)is going to impact your nice freshly painted vehicle then your vehicle is going to get damaged... bull bar( or nudge bar)or not.Edited by: Skidd
 

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thats not my point
my point is why do we need these dangerous ve-hick-les on the road
when they are not being used for anything more than a regular car
would do

as i said, get hit by one and you will know what i mean...
 

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if you wanted to, you could tow a house with that thing
. Doesn't really matter if you never use it for towing though. At least you will always know you can if you want to

LOL... you are right about that mate... the 8.1 litre motor in this thing has enough torque to pull anything. Rated towing capacity is over 5 tonnes and more HP than the new model Holden SS, but most of the HP is used just lugging the bloody heavy body around.
 

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any car can be dangerous in the wrong hands or in any situation....i say go for it...its a big american tank and a nice one at that.you like it so love it, azenis, i understand u dont like the idea of getting hit by one of these things, but how often have u had one of these through your back window



to each there own
 

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what are the specs on one of these besasts, size, hp, torque etc
 

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azenis said:
thats not my point
my point is why do we need these dangerous ve-hick-les on the road
when they are not being used for anything more than a regular car
would do

as i said, get hit by one and you will know what i mean...

Because I can... the beauty of the capitalist society... I am permitted to do what I can afford to do as long as it is legal.














Ok let's humour your argument for a moment, how would you define a 'regular' car. These are my regular cars, I have 5 cars; a 1975 Cadillac Convertible; a 1982 Cadillac 4 door; a 1968 Buick 4 door; a 1999 Chevy Suburban and my avalanche. Did you ever think that your definition of what's 'regular' and mine may vary.


I am 195cm tall and 145kg, I don't think your 'reguar' shirt will fit me, and I'm certain your vehicle won't either... if I have got the feeling behind your statement correct, then going by your points above;


All single people would be driving Diahatsu Charades because they only ever drive themselves around with very few passengers and so anything bigger is not needed.


Motorcycles are dangerous because if you rode them legally they would have no advantage over a small economical car and so they should be banned.


We really should prevent single occupant vehicles from being on the road because they could most likely use public transport.


IMHO this is a circular and pointless discussion... I accept that there are folks in this world who don't like my choice of vehicles, women, food and beverages... such is life.
 

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A debate... yes quite possibly
So u dont use it for offroading as it may get dirty and you dont tow
anything a corolla wouldnt tow... so why does anyone really need a
truck like this?
Do you know Pajero is spanish for "Wanker"


Bull bars, nudge bars, all disturb the behaviour of a car in a crash,
they stop crumple zones working - that is if the car has crumple
zones to start with

you cant see past 4WD's in traffic, they are mobile blind spots, and
dont react to driver input well

Every time I see some snotty nosed woman in a pajero/patrol/land
or range rover or whatever and she thinks she is soooo cool and
sooo safe hah what a joke watch her try and park it

and they never see as much as a dirt road

WHY??


Skidd said:
azenis said:
Do you take it off road much? or
use it to tow a boat or caravan or anything?

Mmmm... I feel a debate coming on!


Do I take it off road?  No, it's black and it would show up the
scratches terribly, besides the wheel base, turning circle and overall
length would make it almost hopeless.  Would be OK on tracks or the
beach.


Do I tow anything with it? - Once a year I might tow a trailer to
the tip or do a job for a mate but that's about it.


BTW... it's not a bull bar, it's a NUDGE bar.... and if a car (any car,
doesn't matter what size) is going to impact your nice freshly painted
vehicle then your vehicle is going to get damaged... bull bar ( or
nudge bar) or not.
 

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Chev Suburban... thats an oxymoron isnt it?? they are worse than
the avalanche, might as well put a canopy on a mac truck and drive it
around... just what you need to take the kids to the soccer/get the
groceries lol

by regular car i mean average modern sedan

and i think everything from the paragraph there about diahatsu
charades down is BS and you are just being stupid there

just take a look at some statistics and crash test results, pedestrian
impact ratings etc

sure you are a big guy but that doesnt mean u have to drive around
in a car that weighs 3 or 4 tons lol

BTW i have a mate who is 195 cm and fits in his rex nicely, i sold my
s3 rx7 to a guy who was close to 7 foot and have a mate that has a
wrx and he weighs about 130kg

and yes i agree with the idea of special licence testing for people that
want to drive these offroaders etc in the city

Skidd said:
Ok let's humour your argument for a moment, how would you
define a 'regular' car.  These are my regular cars, I have 5 cars; a
1975 Cadillac Convertible; a 1982 Cadillac 4 door; a 1968 Buick 4
door; a 1999 Chevy Suburban and my avalanche.  Did you ever
think that your definition of what's 'regular' and mine may vary.


I am 195cm tall and 145kg, I don't think your 'reguar' shirt will fit
me, and I'm certain your vehicle won't either...  if I have got the
feeling behind your statement correct, then going by your points
above;


All single people would be driving Diahatsu Charades because
they only ever drive themselves around with very few passengers
and so anything bigger is not needed.


Motorcycles are dangerous because if you rode them legally they
would have no advantage over a small economical car and so they
should be banned.


We really should prevent single occupant vehicles from being on
the road because they could most likely use public transport.


IMHO this is a circular and pointless discussion... I accept that
there are folks in this world who don't like my choice of vehicles,
women, food and beverages... such is life. 
 

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Hey azenis
GET OVER IT you r just jealous that you can not afford a big yank tank.


So you got nothing better to do then complain about Skidds Cars and 4wd's,it a 4 wheel drive and he dose not use it for 4wd driving. what u sound likethis
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GET OVER IT



so it i get a commodore do i have to race it at a sandown
 

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what are the specs on one of these besasts, size, hp, torque etc

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Seating: 6 standard, 5 with optional bucket seats<o =""></o></font></span>


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Legroom Rear: 988 mm (38.9 inches)<o =""></o></font></span>


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Hip Room Rear: 1575 mm (62 inches)<o =""></o></font></span>


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Shoulder Room Rear: 1656 mm (65.2 inches)<o =""></o></font></span>


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Redline: 4,500 RPM<o =""></o></font></span>


Transmission: Four speed electronically controlled automatic<o =""></o></font></span>


Transfer
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controlled transfer case featuring 2-high, 4-high, 4-low, Auto 4-wheel
drive, and neutral<o =""></o></font></span>


Brakes: Front and rear disc brakes with four channel ABS<o =""></o></font></span>


Steering: Power Assisted Recirculating Ball<o =""></o></font></span>


Front Suspension: Fully Independent with 1.25 inch stabilizer bar<o =""></o></font></span>


Rear Suspension: Multistage leaf spring with 1.12 inch stabilizer bar<o =""></o></font></span>


Alternator: 105 Amp<o =""></o></font></span>


<a name="tires">Tires and Wheels</font></span></a></span><o =""></o></span>


Standard: 16-inch six lug aluminum with P245/75/R16 tires<o =""></o></font></span>


Spare: 16-inch steel rim mounted under the bed<o =""></o></font></span>


<a name="payload">Payload and Towing</font></span></a></span><o =""></o></span>


Towing Capacity with 3.73 Axle: 4581 kg (10,100 pounds)<o =""></o></font></span>


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Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR): 7711 kg (17,000 pounds)<o =""></o></font></span>


Cargo Bed Length: 1600 mm (63 inches) Midgate™ up, 2464 mm (97 inches) Midgate™ down<o =""></o></font></span>


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Mileage: Not rated<o =""></o></font></span>


Cruising Range: Unpublished<o =""></o></font></span>


Turning Diameter: 13564 mm (44.5 feet)<o =""></o></font></span>


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hey you couldnt be further from the truth there

hey i never complained about the caddys

and if i was spending that money on a car a 4wd would be the last
thing i would consider, has nothing to do with $$ spent on a car.

My WRX probably owes me around the same - well - it would do if i
didnt have to convert it to RHD - but it isnt far behind in cost.

Savage SS said:
Hey azenis GET OVER IT you r just jealous
that you can not afford a big yank tank.


So you got nothing better to do then complain about Skidds Cars
and 4wd's, it a 4 wheel drive and he dose not use it for 4wd driving.
what u sound like this
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GET OVER IT



so it i get a commodore do i have to race it at a sandown



 


 
 

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cmon every1 calm down you can have any car you like as long as its legal its not like we live in a communist country and all have to drive around in the same car
 

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Always wanted to slot a 13B turbo into the back of one of those

Though the coolest thing i have seen lately was a mini with a
hyabussa motor in it, and one with a honda ITR motor and gearbox,
mid engined!!
 
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