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    Hyper ST- Tamiya Nitrage- HPI Hellfire



    I'm considering purchasing a truggy in the near future and have narrowed my choice down to the above 3. I just wanted to get some owner's opinions on the pros and cons of each truck. It will be used for a combination of mainly racing and some bashing now and then.


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    I would say cross the nitrage out of your list, and decide between the hyper and the hellfire, and between those two, i would pick the hyper.

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    Hot Bodies LSP !! (lightning stadium pro)


    darn good truggy's.. plenty of them racing well at our track

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    <DIV>Everyone is quick to sing the Hobao song, they are cheap and do the job but by no measure of the stick do they even come close in quality to the Mugen MBX-5 T, Hong Nor X1CRT, Kyoshoetc... </DIV>
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    <DIV>Credit where credit is due the Hobao design is well thought out and I would be happier changing a diff on the Hoboa then an MBX but damn they are rattly things!</DIV>
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    <DIV>Just like a Japanese Corolla, keep on going but need to wear earplugs cruising down the highway </DIV>
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    <DIV>At a Pro kit level I'd spend the money on a Hellfire SS then a Hobao ST Pro any day of the week if budgeting around that ballpark.</DIV>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Flibble
    <DIV>Everyone is quick to sing the Hobao song, they are cheap and do the job but by no measure of the stick do they even come close in quality to the Mugen MBX-5 T, Hong Nor X1CRT, Kyoshoetc... </DIV>
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    <DIV>Credit where credit is due the Hobao design is well thought out and I would be happier changing a diff on the Hoboa then an MBX but damn they are rattly things!</DIV>
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    <DIV>Just like a Japanese Corolla, keep on going but need to wear earplugs cruising down the highway </DIV>
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    <DIV>At a Pro kit level I'd spend the money on a Hellfire SS then a Hobao ST Pro any day of the week if budgeting around that ballpark.</DIV>


    hey master F,


    whats your thoughts on the Hot Bodies LSP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Flibble
    <DIV>Everyone is quick to sing the Hobao song, they are cheap and do the job but by no measure of the stick do they even come close in quality to the Mugen MBX-5 T, Hong Nor X1CRT, Kyoshoetc... </DIV>
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    <DIV>Credit where credit is due the Hobao design is well thought out and I would be happier changing a diff on the Hoboa then an MBX but damn they are rattly things!</DIV>
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    <DIV>Just like a Japanese Corolla, keep on going but need to wear earplugs cruising down the highway </DIV>
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    <DIV>At a Pro kit level I'd spend the money on a Hellfire SS then a Hobao ST Pro any day of the week if budgeting around that ballpark.</DIV>


    i beg to differ ther mr flibble..yes ive just got a new st pro ,so im trying not to be bias..


    the buildseems excellent..rattle??please explain?? there aint no rattle..


    the parts are cnc machined..everything so far is an excellent fit .no issues that ive found anyway..but yes its new and ill let you know how it holds up..


    except for the stupid hyper 7 reciever/battery box setup..but ive fixed thatEdited by: wrat
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    Well flibble, of course if there wasn't a list to choose from , i would have recommended an mbx or an x1 or even an 8t straight away. But im just giving my opinions on the 3 that are given.

    And the hyper st is NOT a japanese corolla........


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    <DIV>wrat,I guessI have been building kits for a while and have built a couple of the hyper7 and 8 pro kits as well.</DIV>
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    <DIV>After my first exposure to building similar Mugen equivalents my world was thrown upside down. The tolerances were by comparison incredible, every single part mated perfectly with the next with no extra play or slop in a single item.</DIV>
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    <DIV>Unless the ST Pro has come a long way from the buggy pro kits you could take a new Hobao hyper8 pro and be left with 1-2 mm of slop between moving a front wheel and that slop being soaked up the servo engaging. I have seen it and other components exhibit the same behaviour time after time on every piece of hobao gear. Nearly every RTR vehicle on the market is like this so not like Habao are on their own on this one.</DIV>
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    <DIV>That said they are still great bang for buck and as mentioned the design ethos is great for wrenching on. Would probably make a great basher as well as parts are cheap and readily available. Will it make a great racer? Time will tell but every single racer at our club push their Hobao gear aside in the long term and move towards Mugen, Hong Nor, Kyosho etc... </DIV>
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    <DIV>Not dissing these guys, they are made and marketed tospecific audience and they perform admirably for that purpose. Would I buy one? Nope ...</DIV>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoogey
    Well flibble, of course if there wasn't a list to choose from , i would have recommended an mbx or an x1 or even an 8t straight away. But im just giving my opinions on the 3 that are given.

    And the hyper st is NOT a japanese corolla........

    i'm open to other suggestions as well. These are just the three that caught my eye and are in my budget range.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oblivion


    Hot Bodies LSP !! (lightning stadium pro)


    darn good truggy's.. plenty of them racing well at our track


    I've not seen one of these bliv. If they are as good as you say i would like to check one out. None of the lhs up here have any thoughand that would sway my choice if there's a lack of parts supply.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Flibble
    <DIV>wrat,I guessI have been building kits for a while and have built a couple of the hyper7 and 8 pro kits as well.</DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>After my first exposure to building similar Mugen equivalents my world was thrown upside down. The tolerances were by comparison incredible, every single part mated perfectly with the next with no extra play or slop in a single item.</DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>Unless the ST Pro has come a long way from the buggy pro kits you could take a new Hobao hyper8 pro and be left with 1-2 mm of slop between moving a front wheel and that slop being soaked up the servo engaging. I have seen it and other components exhibit the same behaviour time after time on every piece of hobao gear. Nearly every RTR vehicle on the market is like this so not like Habao are on their own on this one.</DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>That said they are still great bang for buck and as mentioned the design ethos is great for wrenching on. Would probably make a great basher as well as parts are cheap and readily available. Will it make a great racer? Time will tell but every single racer at our club push their Hobao gear aside in the long term and move towards Mugen, Hong Nor, Kyosho etc... </DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>Not dissing these guys, they are made and marketed tospecific audience and they perform admirably for that purpose. Would I buy one? Nope ...</DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>


    dont get me wrong mr flibble..i totally repect your comments and expertice..


    i too have built 5 hyper 8 pro's and the st pro is much better to work on..hopefully the hyper 8.5 will be a better build than the hyper 8 pro again.


    cant fault the st pro tho..everything has mated realy well..the steering/servo saver dosnt have the play that the h8 has..i likes alot


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    The lsp is a nice truggy (lotsa aluminum) but as you said, parts can be hard to come by. So what does your lhs stock alot of??, have a look at each of those brands and see if anything gets your attention.

    My choices would be
    -thunder tiger st1 pro
    -x1 crt
    -xray xt8
    -losi 8t race roller
    -mbx5t
    -hellfire ss
    -mp777 str
    -hyper st pro



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    I echo stoogey's comments bliv, nice gear but they do definately carry more weight but I personally like a little more weight for the handling characteristics on rougher tracks/ground.

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    <DIV>All good wrat, forums are all about dicsussing and respecting each others experiences and opinions. Would be damn boring if we all agreed on everything!</DIV>
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    <DIV>Sounds like the ST Pro may be the first of some great things from Hobao...</DIV>

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    I would go the Hong Nor jammin crt truggy. They Have been killing everyone down here and so has it in the UK. These would have to be the truggy to go.
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    i guess we are lucky because some guys from our track started their own store (rchobbyzone.com.au) specialising hot bodies/hpi + proline.


    can get any HB parts off the shelf for darn good price, break a part track side? just go ask darren and he goes diving into a few box's of spares that he always carrys to teh track just incase.


    rchobbies apparently sell them, i know mrc used to do HB aswell...


    i guess were lucky that we have someone local who specialises in everything HB that we could ever need, but i thought they were as common as HPI spares?

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    Here's my Hyper ST Pro, with OS XZ .28
    This motor is claimed to punch out 3.3ps - and most people know that OS
    understate their HP by 20% - so it should be a monster.
    Based on the VZ-B range too - ie turbo.

    Here she is with her Hyper 8.5 brother.




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