: ND’s Raptor 50



nitro-drifter
20-03-2007, 01:35 PM
The Titan came in today @ lunchtime. I almost ran there.


All JR radio gear (x2610 pcm tx) and servos.


I am like an impatient kid in a candy store. LHS guy is a good friend of mine, so as soon as i came in, we ripped it open and started assembling. Have just arrived home with the main frame and head built and put together, with skids etc. My camera is dead - so i will have to wait til the wife gets home tonight and use her camera phone.


Photos to follow shortly.Edited by: nitro-drifter

stevo1957
20-03-2007, 01:59 PM
Congrats on the new addition to the family, mate.


I expect the proud dad will be handing out cigars next time we meet?


Cheers,


Steve

MarkG
20-03-2007, 02:15 PM
haha that sounds like me..

I get my RC packages delivered to my office - and I try and be inconspicuos when I rip the wrapping off, and then I end up f*cking around with them in some way or another!

husky
20-03-2007, 02:47 PM
What are you doing typing? Get back to the assembly. Im impatient when it comes to new kits, I wont stop for anything(except maybe to open a new can) when im building a new kit. What engine you throwing in her? Electronics? Blades? Hell pics are nice too!

nitro-drifter
20-03-2007, 03:20 PM
All will be revealed soon. When the missus gets in, will produce some pics - anyway, first time i have come up for a breath in a while.


Std TT50 engine all in now + muffler. Starting to look likw a heli!!!


Back to the sweat shop.......

AUSRC
20-03-2007, 03:27 PM
Excellent news mate.... welcome aboard.

Peter
20-03-2007, 03:29 PM
Awesome!! nothing nicer than a new heli ......well almost ..https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gifhttps://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

rc_luvr
20-03-2007, 04:11 PM
wheres the pix? i love the raptor.. https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

r2160
20-03-2007, 05:07 PM
You should also remember, if you are unsure of anything, post it here. Hopefully we can all help you get in the air.


glenni

nitro-drifter
20-03-2007, 08:03 PM
Thanks for the offer. I would be grateful as i progress. At the moment - I have gone for everything completely stock. I will slowly upgrade as i need to. Just gotta get it all together so i can go to the local club and get started properly.


Terrible image - but progress so far. Had to settle for the phone camera image, as i could have sorted my camera situation out - but that would have left me without a Raptor for another month or so.


https://www.ausrc.com/galleries/nitrodrifter/build1.JPG


Not a hard choice for me. Besides, i know other people with cameras...


Back to the creation.

rc_luvr
20-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Nice ! turned the kitchen into a work bench have you ? https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

koolkidd
20-03-2007, 08:15 PM
yea lol i tried that, stained the kitchen sink lol! lets just say my mum wasnt happy and now i have my own workshop.

rc_luvr
20-03-2007, 08:23 PM
yea lol i tried that, stained the kitchen sink lol! lets just say my mum wasnt happy and now i have my own workshop.





Yer hearing you there https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif, misses kicked me out of the loungeroom one day cause it was like 40 odd degrees and hot as.. i didn't spill anything but gee i made some mess. https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifwhat can i say we are dedicated r/cers..

Peter
20-03-2007, 09:49 PM
Thanks for the offer. I would be grateful as i progress. At the moment - I have gone for everything completely stock. I will slowly upgrade as i need to. Just gotta get it all together so i can go to the local club and get started properly.







I'd strongly suggest you sell the std 539 servos , if thats what your radio came with ; they have crashed more helis than I want to know about! they just cant handle the vibrations inherent in a heli ,, Futaba 9252's or Hitec 59xx or 69xx series would be my recommendation ., Hitec 425's are ok if $$ are stretched ( isnt that all the time !) .... and replace the fuel tubing thats inside the two tanks , its rubbish ; will soften and cause motor to lean out in no time at all ..

That enough to start with!!!

urin8
21-03-2007, 01:04 AM
sweet,
not fair yours is bigger than mine.
i wonder which one of us will fly into the ground upside down first ????

stevo1957
21-03-2007, 06:39 AM
not fair yours is bigger than mine


All right fellas, how do you think I feel with my itty bitty DF4#1?https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif


ND - Get much sleep last night, mate?.................and how is the mystery illness - think you'll head back to work today?https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


Cheers,


Steve

nitro-drifter
21-03-2007, 08:57 AM
All right fellas, how do you think I feel with my itty bitty DF4#1?https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif





Steve - very short, fast movements....https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


Yes - i got heaps of sleep. Finally hit bed at about 3.15am. However, have all the servos, radio gear etc done. Need to clean up the canopy, put it all together and i am pretty much done.


Pulled apart the TX last night, to swap it all over to Mode 2. Was prob too tired and stretched the throttle return spring. Throttle is too loose now. Will destroy one of my old tx's to salvage a new spring.


Also - my gyro lead isn't long enough. Need to work out an extension.


Q.JR gyro - i have a heading lock gyro, but it is a povo one. Will the setup still work with the gyro only inputting into the rudder channel? (ie - has no connection for 'gear', only from tail servo to gyro, and gyro to rx [which is too short!]).


I assume this will work - as the heli has 'everything needed to get off the ground'. Just wondering what this will effect.


I will start on all the balancing and mixing tonight, once i get the TX sorted. Will try and borrow a camera so i can get some decent shots for this thread too.

urin8
21-03-2007, 09:23 AM
Q.JR gyro - i have a heading lock gyro, but it is a povo one. Will the setup still work with the gyro only inputting into the rudder channel? (ie - has no connection for 'gear', only from tail servo to gyro, and gyro to rx [which is too short!]).

as far as i know, if the gyro has only one lead to the receiver then its settings are set on the gyro and should work fine. i believe the gyros with the two inputs allow the settings to be done via the transmitter.

nitro-drifter
21-03-2007, 09:56 AM
Another question.


FUEL & Break in


The manufacturers recommendation is 6 tanks of fuel on idle. Any thoughts on whether this appropriate?


Also - what is the best fuel to use? I want to use 30%. Any preferred glow plugs? I read somewhere it is good to use a hotter plug? Not sure how reliable that was though. I use the coldest plugs possible on my land RC - but am a noob with helis, so i might as well ask.Edited by: nitro-drifter

Skidd
21-03-2007, 11:10 AM
I know that my Rappy break-in was about 6 tanks of gentle hover.
I can't imagine that letting it sit and idle while on the ground would
help it at all. Get it hovering that will be the best for
break-in.



Don't equate car fuel needs with heli ones.... most advice I've heard
says to use 15% nitro heli fuel. It's what I've used for the past
12 months and it's going fine. https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif

stevo1957
21-03-2007, 11:35 AM
ND,


Her's an article you may find interesting:


http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=836


Cheers,


Steve

husky
21-03-2007, 11:45 AM
Yeah as Skidd said, 1st six tanks of gentle hover. Theres no benefit of idling it with no load. Get it airborne! Also couldnt agree more about the servo advice. my R30 had cheap servos and a cheap gyro. My flying improved 10000% once i brought the 50 with all the good stuff (9252 servos and a 601 gyro. 401 is the best $$ option though). Save your pennies as once you start forward flight electronicy will need to be upgradedhttps://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gifIts a never ending cyclehttps://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifbut great fun!

nitro-drifter
21-03-2007, 11:58 AM
Thanks guys. Much appreciated. I would put a wager on that i have enough skill to do basic box patterns and some nose in - well. I understand once you start making the heli work hard (harder turns, faster runs) you need better running gear.


I just want to ensure i can turn up the the flying field on the weekend and be set up enough to start my training on the basics - properly. Not looking for my running gear to win championships yet. As soon as get my solo fly ticket - well, that gives me a big green light on the incessant upgrade cycle!


Any fuel type [brand] recommendations?


Will go for 15% - 20%.


Almost got it done now. Just came home for lunch and tidied up the canopy and windshield. Nearly there!

r2160
21-03-2007, 12:00 PM
Hi


15% nitro, 20% oil is the norm for learning. Use KL198 or Coolpower LV oil. KL200 and Coolpower blue work OK but the first two are just better and they are generally the same price. My preference is for the Coolpower LV. i have been running it for quite a number of years and it has always looked after my engines. I can recommend a certain brand fuel but only if the moderators say its ok.


Run the motor in hovering. Dont let the motor get too hot either. Rule of thumb is put your finger inside the back plate and if you can wait 5 seconds without burning your finger, that is generally OK.


As far as the gyro goes, if it only has one lead, you would normally set everything on the gyro itself including the gain.


Hope this helps


GlennEdited by: r2160

nitro-drifter
21-03-2007, 12:05 PM
Thanks Glenn - that does help. Alot.


One more quick one:


Filters


1. Thoughts on running a fuel filter?
2. Air filters. What is the best bet here? (Shape / size etc)

Peter
21-03-2007, 12:14 PM
Definitely a fuel filter between tank and carby , and dont fill through that filter ....

air cleaners are rarely used , if ever .., they rob power .... I never have , in over 30 years of heli flying....

I can recommend ROTORMOTION fuel, its very popular ... click the rcheliworld link in my sig ....


AND , if you are using the TT50 motor, make sure your instructor knows that motor .. It's lots different to tune initially , than most other motors!!!

Recommend Enya 3 plugs too .....

Edited by: Peter

Skidd
21-03-2007, 12:50 PM
I can recommend a certain brand fuel but only if the moderators say its ok.



Mate you must be really anal about another forum where you get in
trouble for posting honest advice about what your experience tells
you. Here on AUSRC.COM we actually encourage people to debate the
pro's and con's of all specific brands. It helps newbies make
decisions.



I know it will seem strange at first... but you'll get used to it after
a while and may even start to value it. (Freedom of speech we
call it). https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif



So go ahead.



Just realise of course that it will be a two-way street.

Edited by: Skidd

r2160
21-03-2007, 02:46 PM
Hi all


Peter is right, dont worry about an air filter. We tried them years ago and all that happened is that we ingested the elements.


for a change, I actually disagree with peter on this one. I actually run several filters on my fuel from the bottle, but none in line on the machine. I have had them block and things get a little nasty then. I do, however, run a filter on my exhaust line, this way, any crap gets caught before it goes back through the system.


Thanks Skidd, I just dont want to cause any pain, and being the new guy here . .


RC Heliworld fuel replaces the rotormotion fuel and it is available in 4l and 20l containers. It is based on coolpower oils and I have been using it for years. It works great.


glenn

nitro-drifter
21-03-2007, 03:22 PM
Q. Any idea, what % mixsi should be looking at? [fuel]


I am able to get some made up, but have been asked for what mix i want.


==


Have finalised the build now. All is as it should be. Still haven't decided on what i want to do with the canopy & fins. Starting the tx / trim setup procedure.


Q. Does anyone by chance have a link to setup values (curves / travel / reverse etc) for a raptor 50 w/ JRx2610?Edited by: nitro-drifter

r2160
21-03-2007, 03:28 PM
Hi


Have you considered joining a club? What area do you live in? It is always easier to join an club and get help from them, than trying to do it on your own. You will save countless hours.


glenn

nitro-drifter
21-03-2007, 07:00 PM
Hi Glenn - thanks. I am going to try and get out to Warringah and join up soon. I have set everything up now - and all looks like it is doing what it is supposed to - in normal and stunt mode.


Took me some time working out the right settings - but has actually been easier than my setup experience on a smaller CP heli (parkflyer). Happy with my efforts to date.


Another camera phone shot - but here 'tis. That is a venom 3DXL next to it, for size comparison. The cat has been helpful during setup also, just doing a final check for me as i took the pic.


https://www.ausrc.com/galleries/nitrodrifter/build2.JPG

stevo1957
21-03-2007, 07:16 PM
I must not covet ND's Raptor.
I must not covet ND's Raptor.
I must not covet ND's Raptor.
I must not covet ND's Raptor.


Mate - How good does that look!


I thought the Venom was a good size when i saw it, but this thing looks awesome.


I bet your mystery illness has gone, eh?


Cheers,


Steve

Peter
21-03-2007, 08:13 PM
You did cut the plastic from where the blade grips go , and glue them onto the blades ??

And if you are going to use a training u/cart , you'll need to turn the skid/strut assy around!!

Looks like you're about to have FUN................

nitro-drifter
21-03-2007, 09:21 PM
Yes to all of the above mate.


I do have some training gear - thick carbon fibre rods and ends clip onabout the size of half an apple. They seemed to fit on the current set up very tight. Will it make a difference if i turn the assembly around? Or should i leave it how it is if it sits fine?

Peter
21-03-2007, 09:27 PM
the centre hub of the trainer u/c has to be directly under the main shaft , or centre of gravity of heli is affected ..

usually turn strut/skidd assy around , and slide skids along to easily attach u/c to them , with rubber bands , NOT cable ties !!

urin8
25-03-2007, 11:21 PM
hows the progress going ND?

nitro-drifter
26-03-2007, 12:36 AM
hows the progress going ND?


All done and dusted with the build / setup. I couldn't get out there this weekend. I have run the engine on idle for a while, without the main rotors on - put about .5L through the engine so far.


It is very tempting to break it out - but i have to get myself sorted at the club first. i can't tell you the size of the grin on my face as i was sitting there - thinking about this thing in the air. Well - as soon as i get signed up - i will have to see if i can get some vids of the first couple of flights.


Have the 3DXL going (not much of a compromise) on the Spektrum setup - after somedecent mods to fit the spektrum servos in. It's not pretty, but it flies. Good to have a parkflyer to practice locally.Edited by: nitro-drifter

nitro-drifter
06-05-2007, 03:07 PM
Quick question re: setup.


Was just tinkering downstairs, putting some more fuel through the heli = and noted, as the main rotors spin clockwise, the tail rotors (from the side on view - nose fwd, right side) and noted they also spin clockwise.


My mini titan is opposite to this. (tail rotors spin anti-clockwise).


Could i have put the belt on wrong somehow? I assume the tail rotors should be rotating anti-clockwise???


Any thoughts welcome.

Peter
06-05-2007, 09:04 PM
tail blades should spin with leading edge travelling upwards towards the main rotors, when mains are turned clockwise , sounds like you have the belt twist the wrong way .
happens lots , ask me how I know!!!

tail grip control ball is the same side as blade leading edge ...

page 13 dia14/15 in the rappy book I have..

Also check the tail pulley and flange in tail gearbox for correct orientation , dia 13 ' the pulley should have a tapered edge to the belt , both sides! Lots fit the 0051 flange backwards ...

nitro-drifter
06-05-2007, 09:19 PM
Thanks Peter.


I figured as much - i was just hoping there was some reason i could find not to take apart the tail... https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif. Better finding out that now rather than out in the field!!!


Oh well - i have some work to do.

nitro-drifter
03-06-2007, 05:27 AM
Well - maiden flight today. I now have a dirty bird!!! https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


https://www.ausrc.com/galleries/nitrodrifter/Raptor_50/Raptor_50_maiden.jpg


http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=3821714898694333928&hl=en-AU


Thanks to Stevo for filming - and reminding me to keep it low to the ground for the break in.Just some gentle hovering and getting a feel for it.


I can't tell you how easy this thing is to fly!. Hovering, you could fall asleep doing, nose in was effortless - nice and responsive, but i need to get some better servos before i actually start flying. Gyro was still up a bit high, i think. There was a little shake in the tail.


Can't emphasise how easy this thing is to fly.


Was watching the resovoir tank (not sure what the smaller tank is called??) closely, to see how far down it would go before cutting out. Gotta love Steve's 6th sense... "Watch your fuel mate...." then... brrrr... cough cough - empty.


Vid quality goes a bit funny via google - use the down arrow (bottom right) next to the volume slider and full screen option to put it on 'original size' or 'double size' if it is too pixelated for you.


Question: Do i need to run it richer?


It feels pretty decent regarding throttle control - obviously taking it VERY easy and not pushing it at all, but i note on a lot of other heli vids, there is a lot more smoke. When the heli goes into the shadows, you can see a pretty decent stream of smoke - but nothing like in some other vids i have seen.


Have it set now so when you pinch the fuel line to cut off fuel, it takes about 3 - 4 secs to die. If i richen it up too much more, just a little worried about stalling it.


Have had about a full tank through it now - 3/4 messing about with settings and general idle etc, 1/4 tank in the above video. After that last run, the engine was 116 degrees.Edited by: nitro-drifter

jjjrules
03-06-2007, 08:00 AM
Nice flight Nitron - congrats

stevo1957
03-06-2007, 09:47 AM
Gotta love Steve's 6th sense... "Watch your fuel mate...." then... brrrr... cough cough - empty.


Just call me psychic................all calls charged at $4.95 a minute.


Mate - great work - Just don't get too eager with the next flight! Remember what happened to the Mini Titan yesterday.https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


Cheers,


Steve

urin8
03-06-2007, 06:06 PM
ND congrats on the maidenhttps://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif, those big birds look so stable
just watched the vid again and noticed how your main blades flop around on spool up.
in my non expert opinion i would say u need to tighten them up a bit, so they are firm but can still move. leave the tail blades loose.

i would also recommend painting the canopy bright yellow/orange
quite a few of the guys at the local run bright colors, thought i'd try them myself and found it really helped me.
(pic from last weekend, plenty of yellow)
http://202.173.151.96/forum/images/davo/2007526165133_pic4.jpg

nitro-drifter
03-06-2007, 08:45 PM
Cheers mate.


I actually tightened them this morning - as I put another tank through her this arvo. Seems to be coming along ok. Still going through the engine break in process, but it is starting to make some progress.


Still haven't decided what to do with the canopy - bright colours may be the option.

nitro-drifter
04-06-2007, 11:59 PM
Grabbed some Radix 600mm carbon blades from Patrick @ rc-hobby hangar.


What a great place to shop for your Heli needs! Good prices and a decent range.


Put another tankthrough her tonight- 4th tank so far. Almost ready to fly now!


https://www.ausrc.com/galleries/nitrodrifter/Raptor_50/R50_radix.jpg

husky
05-06-2007, 12:37 PM
Nice, the blades will make a huge differance. You will have to dial your throttle down to get thesame head speed you had with the woodies to account for the added efficiency of the carbons.

Turbo Dave
05-06-2007, 08:51 PM
Hey ND.


Just watched your video and in my opinion its way lean man!!!


The RPMis high at the start and then its drops off and appears to struggle for the rest of the flight....And there is next to no smoke coming out from what I can see in that video.


Doesthe smoke traillook like this in real life? If not pull the main out some more and turn your throttlecurve up to compensate the richen mix.


http://www.rebelflyingclub.com/photos/RFC/heli/2006-12-12/shane.jpg





If Im wrong Im wrong but I would hate to see you kill a motor so early.


Cheers


DaveEdited by: Turbo Dave

rcmaad
05-06-2007, 10:20 PM
gday nitro-drifter,


nice vid awaiting the second one, looking forward to it, so hurry up will ya.

nitro-drifter
06-06-2007, 03:03 PM
Cheers Dave,


You are spot on. There is substantially more smoke you can see in person (Stevo - do you disagree?) but your point is more than valid. It is the top end as low - mid there is a heap, when you get to 3/4 throttle the smoke thins out.


Will richen the mo-fo up.


I am out to the club this wkend (If it doesn't rain...), but wanted to have a few tanks through the heli before i got out there. No doubt i will be berated if I have done it terribly wrong, but approx 116 degrees after a full tank isn't too bad. Will be less when i richen after the above advice.


Thanks Dave. Legend.

stevo1957
06-06-2007, 04:39 PM
You are spot on. There is substantially more smoke you can see in person (Stevo - do you disagree?)


Yep - I'll agree there, but it tended to thin when the rappy got airborne.


Although I wasn't sure whether it was from the heli or the pilot, due to the sheer panic of wondering whether the rappy would suffer the same fate as the Mini Titan, some minutes earlier.https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifhttps://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif


Cheers,


Steve

nitro-drifter
06-06-2007, 04:59 PM
Yeah - wasn't that fun.


The rappy will stay the right way up for some time, i think...

nitro-drifter
16-06-2007, 04:43 AM
Managed to track down half my goods, thanks to the cops and my lhs.


Still missing all my starting gear and otherbuggy / heli, so i am still not able to RC - but i dedicated a night of relaxing to having a go at some heli canopy paintwork - as the finger print dust just didn't look that good:


http://www.nitrodrifters.com/images/dynamic/image-thumb-8938-83429014.jpg





Afew misses here and there, but this should make it easier to see in the air.


http://www.nitrodrifters.com/images/dynamic/image-thumb-8940-68250459.jpg


And i couldn't help trying a new mustang for the reacquired drifter, haven't put any stickers / decals on yet. Was a masking trial - bothced it in a few places....


http://www.nitrodrifters.com/images/dynamic/image-thumb-8936-258373.jpg


Just happy to have some toys again.Edited by: nitro-drifter

onesixty
16-06-2007, 08:38 AM
You must be wrapped . Suck s**t to the junkies who got caught. Id much prefer my stuff back than new stuff.

mtx4kid
16-06-2007, 09:15 AM
Wow, how good must you fell right now ?

Did you find out who it was?

anf0
16-06-2007, 10:04 AM
Good work man. So happy for you. Both paint jobs came out wellhttps://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

stevo1957
16-06-2007, 12:01 PM
N-D - nice looking job mate.


I have a mate who is a french polisher - should see what colours he has and try a job on my 2 canopies.


Cheers,


Steve

urin8
16-06-2007, 01:34 PM
good to see you got some gear back ND, good job on the paint too

Caleb.R
20-06-2007, 10:06 PM
Hey mate,

Nice heli to get started with aye... Are you running the standard 539
servos that come with the x2610?
If so I would advise that you keep your flying to a hovering/gentle
foward flight limit aye. We had one of those servo's let go in a brand
new titan out at our field a couple of weeks ago. It was nasty!

If you have the money to spend than have a look around at some
Futaba or Hitec servos... the Futaba 9252 is popular to have on the
cyclics and chuck a Futaba 9351 on the collective, you'll be set forever!

Have fun!! https://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

nitro-drifter
25-08-2007, 07:32 PM
URIN8 - this should make you laugh.


Not enough flight time lately and a pretty decent over correction / pilot error while nose in, close to the ground- and you get a 3D landing manouver. The OS hyper goes well - the rappy, not so good right now. I have all the spares i need, except for the tail housing - so, back to the lhs on monday.


I hereby submit a few entries for 'pic of the week'. You will note my custom mod to the tail boom.


https://www.ausrc.com/galleries/nitrodrifter/Raptor_50/r50_crash1.jpg


https://www.ausrc.com/galleries/nitrodrifter/Raptor_50/r50_crash2.jpg


https://www.ausrc.com/galleries/nitrodrifter/Raptor_50/r50_crash3.jpg


Stevo got some footage of some gentle hovering / manouveringwhile in normal mode only - including the crash at the end - worth a look if you want a laugh.


Video link here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ep3UDv23nnc)

urin8
25-08-2007, 09:11 PM
Ha, had a laugh as soon as i read the first line.
jeez mate that just don't seem fair having that happen so close to the ground.
think you were very hard done by there.

you were doing good too, nice smooth controlhttps://www.ausrc.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif

stevo1957
25-08-2007, 09:26 PM
Yep - very unfortunate indeed.............just a bit of a shame that I reacted to the crash and didn't keep the camera rolling properly.


I'll put up some footage of me flying today that Michael took - very basis stuff though, but for me, improving all the time.


Gotta get me a Rappy next though!


Cheers,


Steve